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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>While this seems like an [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem ''ad hominem''] attack, Creationists tend to satisfy many of the criteria which [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_(person) cranks] possess, in that:<ref name="Harvard3"> Harvard Project Physics, ''The Project Physics Course Reader, vol. 3:  The Triumph of Mechanics'' (Holt, Rinehart & Winston, 1971).</ref></div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>While this seems like an [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem ''ad hominem''] attack, Creationists tend to satisfy many of the criteria which [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_(person) cranks] possess, in that:<ref name="Harvard3"> Harvard Project Physics, ''The Project Physics Course Reader, vol. 3:  The Triumph of Mechanics'' (Holt, Rinehart & Winston, 1971).</ref></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''All radioactive dating methodologies are invalid''', because decay rates are not constant. The decay rates of all the Earth's atoms were altered by the effects of neutrino interactions. This explanation is uncritically accepted without proof, or any description or discussion as to how neutrino emissions alter decay rates, despite the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_in_Physics Nobel Prize]-winning consequences of such an explanation. Given the neutrino’s incredibly small [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_cross_section absorption cross-section], ''this is probably the only physical explanation which is '''less''' credible than a miracle''.<ref name="SciCreat"></ref> Other Creationist groups maintain that the Noachian Flood “reset Earth's radioactive time clock,” without explaining how ''a flood'' could alter the properties of ''all'' the nuclei of ''all'' the atoms comprising the Earth’s crust. The Creationists also make no effort to explain why the flood would have also affected the dating of  [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_the_Moon lunar] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_Mars Martian] rock samples, which also agree with a 4.5 billion year-old Earth.<ref name="Barker"></ref></div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''All radioactive dating methodologies are invalid''', because decay rates are not constant. The decay rates of all the Earth's atoms were altered by the effects of neutrino interactions. This explanation is uncritically accepted without proof, or any description or discussion as to how neutrino emissions alter decay rates, despite the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_in_Physics Nobel Prize]-winning consequences of such an explanation. Given the neutrino’s incredibly small [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_cross_section absorption cross-section], ''this is probably the only physical explanation which is '''less''' credible than a miracle''.<ref name="SciCreat"></ref> Other Creationist groups maintain that the Noachian Flood “reset Earth's radioactive time clock,” without explaining how ''a flood'' could alter the properties of ''all'' the nuclei of ''all'' the atoms comprising the Earth’s crust. The Creationists also make no effort to explain why the flood would have also affected the dating of  [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_the_Moon lunar] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_Mars Martian] rock samples, which also agree with a 4.5 billion year-old Earth.<ref name="Barker"></ref></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism Creationism], especially [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism young-earth creationism] was intentionally ignored for most of the 20th century, while <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">creationists </del>patiently waited for the shame of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial Scopes Monkey Trial] to fade from living memory. However, in that time there were a number of landmark court cases regarding church-state separation which would eventually prohibit <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">creationism </del>and/or the mandatory religious practice and promotion from ever making a comeback in US public schools. These cases included:<ref name="Harrison"> G. P. Harrison, ''50 Simple Questions for Every Christian'' (Prometheus Books, 2013).</ref><ref name="Berlinerblau"> J. Berlinerblau, ''How to Be Secular:  A Call to Arms for Religious Freedom'' (Mariner Books, 2013).</ref></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism Creationism], especially [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism young-earth creationism] was intentionally ignored for most of the 20th century, while <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Creationists </ins>patiently waited for the shame of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial Scopes Monkey Trial] to fade from living memory. However, in that time there were a number of landmark court cases regarding church-state separation which would eventually prohibit <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Creationism </ins>and/or the mandatory religious practice and promotion from ever making a comeback in US public schools. These cases included:<ref name="Harrison"> G. P. Harrison, ''50 Simple Questions for Every Christian'' (Prometheus Books, 2013).</ref><ref name="Berlinerblau"> J. Berlinerblau, ''How to Be Secular:  A Call to Arms for Religious Freedom'' (Mariner Books, 2013).</ref></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Creationism was forced to rebrand itself as “[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design Intelligent Design]” to circumvent these rulings. Intelligent Design increased in popularity until the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District ''Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District''] (2005) ruling, which declared that Intelligent Design was a form of creationism, and therefore banned from schools. Since then, creationists have been pigeonholed back into the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTFVMMCwsss lunatic fringe], where they occasionally engage the public to recruit enough members to keep the flame alive in hopes of trying again years from now, once the Dover Trial fades from living memory.<ref name="Stenger2"></ref></div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Creationism was forced to rebrand itself as “[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design Intelligent Design]” to circumvent these rulings. Intelligent Design increased in popularity until the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District ''Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District''] (2005) ruling, which declared that Intelligent Design was a form of creationism, and therefore banned from schools. Since then, creationists have been pigeonholed back into the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTFVMMCwsss lunatic fringe], where they occasionally engage the public to recruit enough members to keep the flame alive in hopes of trying again years from now, once the Dover Trial fades from living memory.<ref name="Stenger2"></ref></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This guide ''will not'' list refutations of individual creationist arguments and talking points, because that would be redundant work. The [http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/ Talk.Origins Index of Creationist Claims] has an organized, cataloged collection of highly-polished refutations to <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">creationist </del>talking points, written by scientists for you to use at no cost. Instead, this guide will explain techniques for dealing with <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">creationists</del>, and explain the motives which drive them; these are important considerations which are not being adequately discussed in non-theist literature.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This guide ''will not'' list refutations of individual creationist arguments and talking points, because that would be redundant work. The [http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/ Talk.Origins Index of Creationist Claims] has an organized, cataloged collection of highly-polished refutations to <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Creationist </ins>talking points, written by scientists for you to use at no cost. Instead, this guide will explain techniques for dealing with <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Creationists</ins>, and explain the motives which drive them; these are important considerations which are not being adequately discussed in non-theist literature.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Strangely, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">creationism </del>is mostly an American phenomenon. This is even stranger, since American science education is among the best in the world; this is why students [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRTHdC7k4uY from all over the world travel to study at American] universities. '''The crux of the problem is that this scientific training only extends to science majors; non-[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science,_technology,_engineering,_and_mathematics STEM] students and the general population have poor science literacy.''' Fighting creationists is only a symptomatic treatment of a larger societal disease; reforms in science education are necessary, and these reforms must be tailored for a popular audience.<ref name="Bennett">J. Bennett, ''On Teaching Science:  Principles and Strategies That Every Educator Should Know'' (Big Kid Science, 2014).</ref></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Strangely, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Creationism </ins>is mostly an American phenomenon. This is even stranger, since American science education is among the best in the world; this is why students [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRTHdC7k4uY from all over the world travel to study at American] universities. '''The crux of the problem is that this scientific training only extends to science majors; non-[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science,_technology,_engineering,_and_mathematics STEM] students and the general population have poor science literacy.''' Fighting creationists is only a symptomatic treatment of a larger societal disease; reforms in science education are necessary, and these reforms must be tailored for a popular audience.<ref name="Bennett">J. Bennett, ''On Teaching Science:  Principles and Strategies That Every Educator Should Know'' (Big Kid Science, 2014).</ref></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Creationists have succumb to what psychologist [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Zimbardo Philip Zimbardo] termed “Not-Me Syndrome” (The Illusion of Personal Invulnerability). People tend to ignore direct evidence that they’ve been cheated simply to avoid the pain and shame of admitting to themselves that they’ve been cheated.<ref name="Keene"> L. M. Keene and A. Spraggett, ''The Psychic Mafia'' (1878 Press Co., 2015).</ref> As a result, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">creationists </del>perpetuate or create new falsehoods to <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">give themselves </del>the appearance of having been right all along.<ref name="Sagan"></ref> '''Creationists and apologists aren’t trying to convince ''others''; they are trying to convince ''themselves''.'''<ref name="Hedges"></ref></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Creationists have succumb to what psychologist [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Zimbardo Philip Zimbardo] termed “Not-Me Syndrome” (The Illusion of Personal Invulnerability). People tend to ignore direct evidence that they’ve been cheated simply to avoid the pain and shame of admitting to themselves that they’ve been cheated.<ref name="Keene"> L. M. Keene and A. Spraggett, ''The Psychic Mafia'' (1878 Press Co., 2015).</ref> As a result, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Creationists </ins>perpetuate or create new falsehoods to <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">maintain </ins>the appearance of having been right all along.<ref name="Sagan"></ref> '''Creationists and apologists aren’t trying to convince ''others''; they are trying to convince ''themselves''.'''<ref name="Hedges"></ref></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In a changing and varied environment, following and copying the old ways is not enough; those who can adapt <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">their ways </del>always hold the advantage.<ref name="Sagan"></ref> Religions must change when its culture changes or the religion loses its influence and the ability to propagate; '''religions must evolve to maintain their fitness'''. This has always been the case with Christianity, and the origin of Christianity itself -- the Jews needed to merge with the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism Zoroastrians] to survive the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon Babylonian] captivity,<ref name="Ray"></ref> as evidenced by the adoption of Babylonian myths into their own religion (e.g., the story of Noah was adapted from the much older [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh Epic of Gilgamesh]).<ref name="Barker"></ref> To meet this end, massive upheavals of personal and societal values occur<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">; </del>and moral issues will disappear, as demonstrated by how few pastors preached against birth control in the last 10 years. Creationism is one of these “sunset values” -- a passionately regarded viewpoint or value, which gains much of its intensity from the fact that it is about to disappear or <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">be changed </del>forever. Like the setting sun, such values make a flamboyant show at the end. <ref name="Gravedigger"></ref>  </div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In a changing and varied environment, following and copying the old ways is not enough; those who can adapt always hold the advantage.<ref name="Sagan"></ref> Religions must change when its culture changes or the religion loses its influence and the ability to propagate; '''religions must evolve to maintain their fitness'''. This has always been the case with Christianity, and the origin of Christianity itself -- the Jews needed to merge with the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism Zoroastrians] to survive the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon Babylonian] captivity,<ref name="Ray"></ref> as evidenced by the adoption of Babylonian myths into their own religion (e.g., the story of Noah was adapted from the much older [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh Epic of Gilgamesh]).<ref name="Barker"></ref> To meet this end, massive upheavals of personal and societal values occur and <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">once-urgent </ins>moral issues will disappear, as demonstrated by how few pastors preached against birth control in the last 10 years. Creationism is one of these “sunset values” -- a passionately regarded viewpoint or value, which gains much of its intensity from the fact that it is about to disappear or <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">change </ins>forever. Like the setting sun, such values make a flamboyant show at the end. <ref name="Gravedigger"></ref>  </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In 2010, 52% of young Christians <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">reported that they </del>wanted to pursue science-related careers <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">as adults</del>, but only 1% of youth pastors/workers have bothered to address any scientific issues, to the point that '''a significant portion of young Christians are convinced that their churches are anti-science organizations''', as seen in Table 2.<ref name="YouLostMe"> D. Kinnaman and A. Hawkins, ''You Lost Me:  Why Young Christians Are Leaving Church... and Rethinking Faith'' (Baker Books, 2016).</ref> These youths view opposing <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">fundamental</del>, curiosity-driven science for the sake of boosting church attendance as “eating the seed corn” (i.e., forsaking future bounties to solve near-term trivialities)<ref name="Sagan"></ref> and an active, wanton rejection of God’s gift of the ability to reason.<ref name="YouLostMe"></ref> Additionally, many young people are all too aware that many of their friends, relatives, or even themselves would not be alive today without antibiotics, pacemakers, and the rest of medical science; <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">and </del>many more would be made wretched without their eyeglasses.<ref name="Sagan"></ref></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In 2010, 52% of young Christians wanted to pursue science-related careers, but only 1% of youth pastors/workers have bothered to address any scientific issues, to the point that '''a significant portion of young Christians are convinced that their churches are anti-science organizations''', as seen in Table 2.<ref name="YouLostMe"> D. Kinnaman and A. Hawkins, ''You Lost Me:  Why Young Christians Are Leaving Church... and Rethinking Faith'' (Baker Books, 2016).</ref> These youths view opposing <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">pure</ins>, curiosity-driven science for the sake of boosting church attendance as “eating the seed corn” (i.e., forsaking future bounties to solve near-term trivialities)<ref name="Sagan"></ref> and <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">as </ins>an active, wanton rejection of God’s gift of the ability to reason.<ref name="YouLostMe"></ref> Additionally, many young people are all too aware that many of their friends, relatives, or even themselves would not be alive today without antibiotics, pacemakers, and the rest of medical science; many more would be made wretched without their eyeglasses.<ref name="Sagan"></ref></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>We live in a post-Christian era, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">where </del>Christianity no longer plays a significant role in shaping our culture. '''To be a devout Christian is to participate in a counterculture movement, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">and </del>many of <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">the </del>old ways were not designed for <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">such </del>a <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">counterculture </del>era; they were borne from a time of Christian dominance<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, </del>or at least <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">of a </del>favored status.'''<ref name="Lehr"> F. Lehr, ''Clergy Burnout:  Recovering from the 70-Hour Week... and Other Self-Defeating Practices'' (Augsburg Books, 2005).</ref> Creationists are fully aware that they are a fringe group, and that if they do not win mainstream popularity within this generation, everything they value will soon be reduced to a footnote in history books. '''Creationist zeal is fueled by the knowledge that they are running out of time.''' This is compounded by a Christian tendency to be culturally short-sighted, in that they are unable to tell where their Christian principles end and where their cultural perspectives begin.<ref name="Gravedigger"></ref></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>We live in a post-Christian era, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">in that </ins>Christianity no longer plays a significant role in shaping our culture. '''To be a devout Christian is to participate in a counterculture movement, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">but </ins>many of <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">their </ins>old ways were not designed for a <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">countercultural </ins>era; they were borne from a time of Christian dominance <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">(</ins>or at least favored status<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">)</ins>.'''<ref name="Lehr"> F. Lehr, ''Clergy Burnout:  Recovering from the 70-Hour Week... and Other Self-Defeating Practices'' (Augsburg Books, 2005).</ref> Creationists are fully aware that they are a fringe group, and that if they do not win mainstream popularity within this generation, everything they value will soon be reduced to a footnote in history books. '''Creationist zeal is fueled by the knowledge that they are running out of time.''' This is compounded by a Christian tendency to be culturally short-sighted, in that they are unable to tell where their Christian principles end and where their cultural perspectives begin.<ref name="Gravedigger"></ref></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Science is moving forward. Even the largest, most influential megachurch in the <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">country isn't powerful enough </del>to stop or even slow the progress being made in Europe, South Korea, China, and India. Science, and the proliferation and propagation of its ethos and worldview, is beyond religion’s ability to stop or even influence on a global scale, because religion provides little to no guidance that a rational person could not have devised on their own.<ref name="Ray"></ref></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Science is moving forward <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">globally</ins>. Even the largest, most influential megachurch in the <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">America is powerless </ins>to stop or even slow the progress being made in Europe, South Korea, China, and India. Science, and the proliferation and propagation of its ethos and worldview, is beyond religion’s ability to stop or even influence on a global scale, because religion provides little to no guidance that a rational person could not have devised on their own.<ref name="Ray"></ref></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>While this seems like an [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem ''ad hominem''] attack, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">creationists </del>tend to satisfy many<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, if not all, </del>of the criteria which [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_(person) cranks] possess, in that:<ref name="Harvard3"> Harvard Project Physics, ''The Project Physics Course Reader, vol. 3:  The Triumph of Mechanics'' (Holt, Rinehart & Winston, 1971).</ref></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>While this seems like an [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem ''ad hominem''] attack, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Creationists </ins>tend to satisfy many of the criteria which [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_(person) cranks] possess, in that:<ref name="Harvard3"> Harvard Project Physics, ''The Project Physics Course Reader, vol. 3:  The Triumph of Mechanics'' (Holt, Rinehart & Winston, 1971).</ref></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''They consider themselves to be geniuses''', because it is <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">strangely </del>a rational behavior, due to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect Dunning-Kruger Effect]. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Likewise, </del>everyone with contrary views <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">is considered </del>ignorant, stupid, dishonest, or fueled by <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">other </del>base motives. <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">They consider </del>being ignored a victory, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">as this is </del>perceived as having un-refutable arguments. Any retaliation reinforces the notion that they are battling scoundrels because...</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''They consider themselves to be geniuses''', because <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">strangely, </ins>it is a rational behavior, due to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect Dunning-Kruger Effect]. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">This also leads Creationists to consider </ins>everyone with contrary views <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">to be </ins>ignorant, stupid, dishonest, or fueled by base motives. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Creationists parse </ins>being ignored a victory, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">which they </ins>perceived as having un-refutable arguments. Any retaliation <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">to these claims </ins>reinforces the <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Creationist's </ins>notion that they are battling scoundrels because...</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''They exhibit [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia paranoia] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecutory_delusion persecution complexes]''', which [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synergy synergistically] fuel one another in a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtuous_circle_and_vicious_circle vicious circle]. Being refused to speak at conferences or <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">to publish </del>in respected journals is perceived as a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory conspiracy against them] by the established hierarchy of "high priests of science" who fear their orthodoxy overthrown -- and not due to errors or general low-quality of the <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">creationist</del>'s work.  </div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''They exhibit [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia paranoia] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecutory_delusion persecution complexes]''', which [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synergy synergistically] fuel one another in a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtuous_circle_and_vicious_circle vicious circle]. Being refused to speak at conferences or <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">published </ins>in respected journals is perceived as a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory conspiracy against them] by the established hierarchy of "high priests of science" who fear their orthodoxy overthrown -- and not due to <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">the </ins>errors or general low-quality of the <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Creationist</ins>'s work.  </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''They focus on attacking the greatest scientists and the best-established theories''' (e.g., Einstein’s relativity; Darwinian evolution). Like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fox_and_the_Grapes the fox to whom the grapes are sour], they declare what <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">any </del>greater <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">fellows </del>accomplish is bad, the performance of their duty defective, and <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">it aims are </del>contemptible.<ref name="Silberer "> H. Silberer, ''Hidden Symbolism of Alchemy and the Occult Arts'' (Dover Publications, 2013).</ref></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''They focus on attacking the greatest scientists and the best-established theories''' (e.g., Einstein’s relativity; Darwinian evolution). Like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fox_and_the_Grapes the fox to whom the grapes are sour], they declare what greater <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">scientists </ins>accomplish is bad, the performance of their duty defective, and <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">its motives </ins>contemptible.<ref name="Silberer "> H. Silberer, ''Hidden Symbolism of Alchemy and the Occult Arts'' (Dover Publications, 2013).</ref></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''They work in isolation''', outside the closely integrated channels through which new ideas are introduced and evaluated. They do not send their findings to the recognized journals, and if they do, they are rejected for legitimate reasons, usually due to being unable to write well enough to meet publication standards. Reputable scientists are usually unaware of the <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">creationist</del>'s existence until they receive widespread publicity through non-academic channels, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">unless the scientist collects </del>crank literature as a hobby. (Like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_movie B-movies], these self-published, self-reviewed, and self-edited books and journals provide a guilty pleasure.)  </div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''They work in isolation''', outside the closely integrated channels through which new ideas are introduced and evaluated. They do not send their findings to the recognized journals, and if they do, they are rejected for legitimate reasons, usually due to being unable to write well enough to meet publication standards. Reputable scientists are usually unaware of the <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Creationist</ins>'s existence until they receive widespread publicity through non-academic channels, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">except for scientists who collect </ins>crank literature as a hobby. (Like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_movie B-movies], these self-published, self-reviewed, and self-edited books and journals provide a guilty pleasure.)  </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''They tend to write in neologisms''' (i.e., a complex jargon of mostly self-coined terms and phrases). <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">While </del>is not damning ''per se''<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, in that </del>science and engineering frequently use neologisms, the scientific use of these terms have rigorous definitions<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, </del>whereas crank neologisms are undefined, poorly defined, or used in a way which is <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">contrary to </del>their common or technical usages.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''They tend to write in neologisms''' (i.e., a complex jargon of mostly self-coined terms and phrases). <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">This </ins>is not damning ''per se''<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">; </ins>science and engineering frequently use neologisms<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">. However</ins>, the scientific use of these <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">new </ins>terms have rigorous definitions<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">; </ins>whereas crank neologisms are undefined, poorly defined, or used in a way which is <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">incompatible with </ins>their common or technical usages.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Contrary to popular belief, the clergy has no advantage, no inside track, no superior abilities, or sublime knowledge. Ministers are only successful if people want them to be; no preacher can succeed without a following. '''Much of the zeal shown by <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">creationists </del>and the extremely devout is borne from insecurity'''. In their inner thoughts, they know there is something illegitimate about belief; they have doubts, and spend a disproportionate amount of time and energy trying to suppress these doubts. This is why preachers constantly admonish believers to keep their faith strong, and bury critical thinking habits and feelings of uncertainty beneath a mountain of faith, traditions, and fear.<ref name="Barker"></ref> '''The clergy only appear skilled and superior because they rehearse and polish all of their talking points. They must work from a script, because their training does include the technical and critical thinking skills needed to devise real-time responses to new <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">scientific </del>arguments'''. With a little bit of science reading and imagination, you can knock <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">creationists </del>off-balance, and watch them <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">loose </del>face as they flounder before the small group. '''Don’t humiliate them in private'''; this will only waste future opportunities and reveal yourself as a troublemaker.  </div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Contrary to popular belief, the clergy has no advantage, no inside track, no superior abilities, or sublime knowledge. Ministers are only successful if <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">other </ins>people want them to be; no preacher can succeed without a following. '''Much of the zeal shown by <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Creationists </ins>and the extremely devout is borne from insecurity'''. In their inner thoughts, they know there is something illegitimate about belief; they have doubts, and spend a disproportionate amount of time and energy trying to suppress these doubts. This is why preachers constantly admonish believers to keep their faith strong, and bury critical thinking habits and feelings of uncertainty beneath a mountain of faith, traditions, and fear.<ref name="Barker"></ref> '''The clergy only appear skilled and superior because they rehearse and polish all of their talking points. They must work from a script, because their training does include the technical and critical thinking skills needed to devise real-time responses to new arguments'''. With a little bit of science reading and imagination, you can knock <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Creationists </ins>off-balance, and watch them <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">lose </ins>face as they flounder before the small group. '''Don’t humiliate them in private'''; this will only waste future opportunities and reveal yourself as a troublemaker.  </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>#[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_contradiction Deny the validity of the assumptions which they base their arguments upon], or  </div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>#[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_contradiction Deny the validity of the assumptions which they base their arguments upon], or  </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>#Accept their assumptions as valid, but [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum use them in unintended ways to form your own conclusions].</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>#Accept their assumptions as valid, but [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum use them in unintended ways to form your own conclusions].</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The situation determines which approach to choose. Ideally, you need to alternate between both approaches, to continually off-balance the <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">opponent </del>by denying them the chance to adapt and recover.   </div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The situation determines which approach to choose. Ideally, you need to alternate between both approaches, to continually off-balance the <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">clergyman </ins>by denying them the chance to adapt and recover.   </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>If the <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">creationist </del>begins to verbally attack and/or defame you, it means you’re winning. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem ''Ad hominem''] arguments are always the last-ditch defense of the losing side.<ref name="Barker"></ref> In particular, pseudoscientists <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">will </del>often label skeptics as being “closed minded” for their unwillingness to accept shoddy data, sloppy methodology, and academic dishonesty.<ref name="PhysandPsy"> V. J. Stenger, ''Physics and Psychics'' (Prometheus Books, 1990).</ref></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>If the <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Creationist </ins>begins to verbally attack and/or defame you, it means you’re winning. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem ''Ad hominem''] arguments are always the last-ditch defense of the losing side.<ref name="Barker"></ref> In particular, pseudoscientists often label skeptics as being “closed minded” for their unwillingness to accept shoddy data, sloppy methodology, and academic dishonesty.<ref name="PhysandPsy"> V. J. Stenger, ''Physics and Psychics'' (Prometheus Books, 1990).</ref></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Clergymen typically have little to no scientific training, and even fewer clergymen have made original contributions to ''any'' field of study.<ref name="Mills"></ref> As a result, most '''<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">creationists </del>are just literary critics''', <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">since that mirrors their training. Creationists merely </del>scan the scientific journals for <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">any </del>professional disagreements to <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">fuel </del>''non-sequitur'' arguments.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Clergymen typically have little to no scientific training, and even fewer clergymen have made original contributions to ''any'' field of study.<ref name="Mills"></ref> As a result, most '''<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Creationists </ins>are just literary critics''', <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">who </ins>scan the scientific journals for professional disagreements to <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">setup their</ins>''non-sequitur'' arguments.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Ask <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">the creationist </del>to explain <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">creationism </del>to you; this will tie them up for several hours. You can then tie them up indefinitely by making follow-up visits for “clarification” because you are “confused” by what you’ve read and heard elsewhere; e.g., the [http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/ Talk.Origins Index to Creationist Claims]. (<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">It should go without saying that you </del>'''''should not''''' mention visiting <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">this </del>site; it is (in)famous in <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">creationist </del>circles, and you ''will'' blow your cover.)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Ask <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Creationists </ins>to explain <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Creationism </ins>to you; this will tie them up for several hours. You can then tie them up indefinitely by making follow-up visits for “clarification” because you are “confused” by what you’ve read and heard elsewhere; e.g., the [http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/ Talk.Origins Index to Creationist Claims]. (<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">You </ins>'''''should not''''' mention visiting <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">that </ins>site; it is (in)famous in <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Creationist </ins>circles, and you ''will'' blow your cover.)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>For best results, you need a basic working knowledge of astronomy, geology, and biology. Introductory-level college textbooks for <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">each of </del>these subjects should be available at your local public library<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">; and if not</del>, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">talk to the librarian about an </del>inter-library <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">loan</del>. If you live in a rural area without convenient library access, write or call the nearest university or community college, and ask the department secretaries what introductory texts they use. While textbooks are expensive, used copies of previous editions can be purchased at <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">a </del>nominal cost. While reading three introductory-level textbooks may <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">sound </del>like an insufficient science education, it doesn’t take much to throw <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">creationists </del>into a spin; <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">we </del>have personally <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">been </del>told <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">by creationists </del>that “there’s no gravity in space,” and hung them up by asking what keeps the moon bound to the earth, and the earth bound to the sun.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>For best results, you need a basic working knowledge of astronomy, geology, and biology. Introductory-level college textbooks for these subjects should be available at your local public library, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">or are obtainable via </ins>inter-library <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">loans</ins>. If you live in a rural area without convenient library access, write or call the nearest university or community college, and ask the department secretaries what introductory texts they use. While textbooks are expensive, used copies of previous editions can be purchased <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">online </ins>at nominal cost. While reading three introductory-level textbooks may <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">seem </ins>like an insufficient science education, it doesn’t take much to throw <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Creationists </ins>into a spin; <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Creationists </ins>have personally told <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">us </ins>that “there’s no gravity in space,” and hung them up by asking what keeps the moon bound to the earth, and the earth bound to the sun.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>To keep the clergyman lured in, only cite the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_science natural sciences]<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">. There </del>is tendency among Christians to perceive [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_science social sciences] as subversive and morally compromising.<ref name="Gravedigger"> O. Guinness, ''The Gravedigger Files:  Papers on the Subversion of the Modern Church'' (Intervarsity Press, 1983).</ref> Additionally, it would be useful to have a basic working knowledge of [[Points_of_Contention|Biblical studies]] and [[Arguments_Against_the_Belief_in_God|counter-apologetics]]<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">. In particular</del>, <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">creationists tend </del>to <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">make heavy use of </del>[[Teleological_Argument|design arguments]].<ref name="Behe"> M. J. Behe, ''Darwin’s Black Box:  The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution'' (Oxford Free Press, 2006).</ref></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>To keep the clergyman lured in, only cite the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_science natural sciences]<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, because there </ins>is tendency among Christians to perceive [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_science social sciences] as subversive and morally compromising.<ref name="Gravedigger"> O. Guinness, ''The Gravedigger Files:  Papers on the Subversion of the Modern Church'' (Intervarsity Press, 1983).</ref> Additionally, it would be useful to have a basic working knowledge of [[Points_of_Contention|Biblical studies]] and [[Arguments_Against_the_Belief_in_God|counter-apologetics]], <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">particularly the standard responses </ins>to [[Teleological_Argument|design arguments]].<ref name="Behe"> M. J. Behe, ''Darwin’s Black Box:  The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution'' (Oxford Free Press, 2006).</ref></div></td></tr>
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